What is a nofollow link?

QUOTE: “For certain links on your site, you might want to tell Google your relationship with the linked page.” Google Webmaster Guidelines, 2023

 

If you are a website developer or business owner managing paid links on your website, or Ads, you will need to understand how to apply rel nofollow to links on your website.

Google introduced nofollow links in 2005 to combat web spam. An HTML nofollow link attribute prevents a paid link from influencing Google Pagerank. Google recommends you ‘qualify outbound links’ using the link attribute ‘nofollow’: Use rel=”sponsored” or rel=”nofollow” for paid links. Use rel=”ugc” or rel=”nofollow” for user-generated content links. Use nofollow on widgets, themes and infographic links. Don’t use nofollow on every external link on your website. Don’t use nofollow on internal links.

This article describes nofollow, what it is, when it was introduced and how to use nofollow to links.

 

How to use nofollow on paid links

QUOTE: “For purposes of the current Better Ads Standards, an “ad” is promotional content displayed on the web as the result of a commercial transaction with a third party.” Better Ads Standards, 2023

The best practices for paid links are as follows:

  1. Use rel=”sponsored” or rel=”nofollow” for paid links
  2. Use rel=”ugc” or rel=”nofollow” for user generated content links
  3. Use nofollow on widgets, themes and infographic links
  4. Avoid using nofollow on every external link on your website
  5. Avoid using nofollow on internal links
  6. Link out to useful resources without using nofollow

 

Example “Nofollow” Link Code

Rel=nofollow is an attribute you add to a hyperlink on a webpage:

<a href="https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Hobo</a>

 

Example “Sponsored” Link Code

Rel=sponsored is an attribute you add to a hyperlink on a webpage:

<a href="https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/" rel="sponsored">Hobo</a>

 

Example “UGC” Link Code

Rel=ugc is an attribute you add to a hyperlink on a webpage:

<a href="https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/" rel="ugc">Hobo</a>

 

If you use the Google Chrome browser, you can use a free plugin to highlight nofollow links on a page.

 

 

History of rel=nofollow

Google says nofollow is now a “hint for us to incorporate for ranking purposes”.

QUOTE: “All the link attributes, sponsored, ugc and nofollow, now work today as hints for us to incorporate for ranking purposes. For crawling and indexing purposes, nofollow will become a hint as of March 1, 2020” Google,  September 2019

Google added granularity to how they can handle nofollow links and the major announcement is that now rel=nofollow is not a Directive anymore, nofollow is merely a hint:

QUOTE: (A) Hint. It was a directive until the announcement. It’s a hint now.” Gary Illyes, Google 2019

As recent as 2018, a Googler confirmed:

QUOTE: “Nofollow has not changed. It is still functioning the same since it was implemented.” Nathan Johns, Google (SMX 2018)

 

The recent official announcement from Google on how they handle rel=”nofollow” markup doesn’t change anything for webmasters implementing the markup to label paid, sponsored, affiliate or user-generated links on their own sites.

QUOTE: “Do I need to change my existing nofollows? No. If you use nofollow now as a way to block sponsored links, or to signify that you don’t vouch for a page you link to, that will continue to be supported. There’s absolutely no need to change any nofollow links that you already have.” Google, 2019

Google’s search liaison officer also confirmed:

QUOTE: “You literally don’t have to change anything if you don’t want.” Danny Sullivan, Google 2019

 

What has changed with nofollow?

Google has added some “granularity” to the nofollow “hint”:

QUOTE:  “When nofollow was introduced, it was for marking any link you didn’t want to pass along credit to. Call that use case A. Then it became a way to block sponsored links in compliance with our guidelines. Call that use case B. For over a decade, a single attribute had to do both….To conclude, we think some people might prefer to have granular attributes for particular link cases. We’ve provided these, for those who want that choice. But for those who don’t want the choice, they can carry on using nofollow just as they have before.” Danny Sullivan, Google 2019

and

QUOTE:  “Focus on the other part: nofollow became a hint. Ugc and sponsored are icing on top of that cake, and it’s one of those things where you don’t have to do anything if you don’t want to. If you want to help us understand the web better, implement them. If you don’t want to, don’t.” Gary Illyes, Google 2019

So, nofollow was a directive, now it is a hint as far as Google is concerned, but it still operates as before as far as webmasters are concerned.

A Bing spokesperson clarified, too that:

QUOTE:  “Historically at @bing, we always treated the nofollow link attribute as a ‘hint’, making our own decision on trusting or not trusting. Please continue using this ‘hint’ and other link functions as sponsored and ugc as appropriate.”  Fabrice Canel, Bing 2019

QUOTE: “Rel NoFollow is an elemental microformat, one of several microformat open standards. By adding rel="nofollow" to a hyperlink, a page indicates that the destination of that hyperlink should not be afforded any additional weight or ranking by user agents which perform link analysis upon web pages (e.g. search engines). Typical use cases include links created by 3rd party commenters on blogs, or links the author wishes to point to, but avoid endorsing.” Microformats.org

For Google, a link from one site to another site is a ‘vote’ for the website that has the link pointing to it (an example of a link that passes Pagerank).

Links help Google rank documents on the web in its SERPs (Search Engine Results Pages), and as such, have long been abused by link builders.

QUOTE: “Nofollow links definitely don’t pass PageRank. Over the years, I’ve seen a few corner cases where a nofollow link did pass anchortext, normally due to bugs in indexing that we then fixed. The essential thing you need to know is that nofollow links don’t help sites rank higher in Google’s search results.” Matt Cutts, Google 2009

Search engines like Google, ask that you adequately provide machine-readable disclosure and add the ‘Re=Nofollow’ attribute to ANY paid links on your site or any paid links you BUY that point TO your site.

This ensures the link will not count as a vote or recommendation for another page nor will it pass Pagerank nor any other ranking signal.

Failure to add the Rel=Nofollow attribute to paid links places your site in a ‘link scheme‘ and eventually harms the reputation of your site, as far as Google’s algorithms are concerned.

Using the HTML attribute on an external (outbound) link tells Google you don’t vouch for this other web page enough to help it’s search rankings.

The attribute also effectively ‘insulates’ your website against any loss of ‘reputation’, as Google calls it when you link out from your site. Google classifies paid or otherwise non-disclosed monetised links as’ unnatural links’.

Your website can get a Google penalty or manual action for unnatural links.

 

When should you use nofollow?

QUOTE: “If money changed hands in order for a link to be placed on a website then it should not flow PageRank, in essence, it shouldn’t affect search engines rankings …. we’ve taken action on this sort of thing you know for years and years and we’re going to keep taking strong action” Matt Cutts, Google 2013

Google would prefer all non-editorial links marked-up with the attribute rel=”sponsored” (or rel=”nofollow)” to prevent these type of links passing Pagerank and influencing SERPs.

QUOTE: “Mark links that are advertisements or paid placements (commonly called paid links) as sponsored.” Google Webmaster Guidelines, 2020

This includes:

  • paid links
  • press releases
  • advertorials
  • affiliate links and
  • native advertising

This is to separate such links from naturally earned backlinks – the type of links Google aims to reward.

Arguments

The controversial (for SEO) Rel=nofollow attribute has been around since 2005 and is here to stay. Paid links without the attribute are VERY RISKY to search engine rankings for your website. With the attribute, the organic search engine value of paid links is effectively neutralised.

Google says nofollow links are effectively non-links when it comes to influencing your page rankings

In most cases, you can expect links with ‘rel=nofollow’ won’t influence your search rankings in a positive or negative way in the traditional sense.

Nofollow is machine identifiable sponsorship disclosure to Googlebot so Google can deal with paid links appropriately.

Laws

Note that when it comes to paid advertising and sponsorship, it is law in many countries you must disclose any paid advertising relationship.

For instance, in the US:

QUOTE: “The FTC is only concerned about endorsements that are made on behalf of a sponsoring advertiser. For example, an endorsement would be covered by the FTC Act if an advertiser – or someone working for an advertiser – pays you or gives you something of value to mention a product. If you receive free products or other perks with the expectation that you’ll promote or discuss the advertiser’s products in your blog, you’re covered. Bloggers who are part of network marketing programs, where they sign up to receive free product samples in exchange for writing about them, also are covered.FTC

And in the UK:

QUOTE: “Users want to know when they’re viewing sponsored content. Also, there are laws in some countries that make disclosure of sponsorship mandatory. A disclosure can appear anywhere in the post; however, the most useful placement is at the top in case users don’t read the entire post.” Google, 2011 (Read more at about the UK advertising standards at iabuk.net)

And

QUOTE: “Links that pass PageRank in exchange for goods or services are against Google guidelines on link schemes.” Google

 

Can you sell links on your website?

QUOTE: “The answer is yes. The fact is what Google cares about is whether a link that you sell flows PageRank and if it doesn’t flow PageRank. If it doesn’t affect search engines it’s none of our business at that point. Now if you are in Europe you might have some various laws that apply to you. If you’re in the United States the Federal Trade Commission wants you to disclose those links. If you have some sort of material connection to an endorser so you might want to think about having human readable disclosure as well like this is a paid link or this is a sold link or something like that but Google’s policy is within search rankings if you’re selling links it’s your obligation to make sure that that link doesn’t affect search engines.” MATT CUTTS, Google

 

Should you use Nofollow on user-generated content links?

QUOTE: “The best-known use for nofollow is blog comment spam, but the mechanism is completely general. Nofollow is recommended anywhere that links can’t be vouched for. ” Matt Cutts, Google 2006

YES.

QUOTE: “We recommend marking user-generated content (UGC) links, such as comments and forum posts, as ugc. If you want to recognize and reward trustworthy contributors, you might remove this attribute from links posted by members or users who have consistently made high-quality contributions over time.” Google Webmaster Guidelines, 2020

I was one of those guys spamming comments way back in the day, although I tried to be sensible about it (on the whole). I even let my own blog get spammed for a long time. Sometimes that was me as well!

QUOTE: “If an off-domain link is made by an anonymous or unauthenticated user, I’d use nofollow on that link. Once a user has done a certain number of posts/edits, or has been around for long enough to build up trust, then those nofollows could be removed and the links could be trusted. Anytime you have a user that you’d trust, there’s no need to use nofollow links.” Matt Cutts, Google 2006

If you have a commenting system (like Drupal, Joomla or WordPress) that allows for search engine friendly links (commonly called dofollow links) from your blog or site, you will probably, eventually be the target of lots of spam, be complicated in tiered link schemes and potentially fall foul of Google’s webmaster guidelines on using the attribute in certain situations.

QUOTE: “”Nofollow” provides a way for Webmasters to tell search engines “Don’t follow links on this page” or “Don’t follow this specific link.“”

So, you can continue to use nofollow or help Google understand relationships better by marking links UGC.

 

Does Google Crawl Nofollow Links?

We are told Google ignores links with the attribute on them, which allows you to link to a site and not share your website reputation with the recipient of your link. On the whole – this seems to the case.

QUOTE: “In general, we don’t follow them. This means that Google does not transfer PageRank or anchor text across these links. Essentially, using nofollow causes us to drop the target links from our overall graph of the web. However, the target pages may still appear in our index if other sites link to them without using nofollow, or if the URLs are submitted to Google in a Sitemap. Also, it’s important to note that other search engines may handle nofollow in slightly different ways.” Google

 

What are some specific examples of nofollow usage?

Google presents us with some cases when to consider using the attribute on OUTBOUND links:

  • QUOTE: “Untrusted content: If you can’t or don’t want to vouch for the content of pages you link to from your site — for example, untrusted user comments or guestbook entries — you should nofollow those links. This can discourage spammers from targeting your site, and will help keep your site from inadvertently passing PageRank to bad neighborhoods on the web. In particular, comment spammers may decide not to target a specific content management system or blog service if they can see that untrusted links in that service are nofollowed. If you want to recognize and reward trustworthy contributors, you could decide to automatically or manually remove the nofollow attribute on links posted by members or users who have consistently made high-quality contributions over time.
  • QUOTE: “Paid links: A site’s ranking in Google search results is partly based on analysis of those sites that link to it. In order to prevent paid links from influencing search results and negatively impacting users, we urge Webmasters use nofollow on such links. Search engine guidelines require machine-readable disclosure of paid links in the same way that consumers online and offline appreciate disclosure of paid relationships (for example, a full-page newspaper ad may be headed by the word “Advertisement“).”

Google is serious about this stuff. If you let your website become a free for all links farm – a link scheme –  Google may not trust the links from your website (at least) and could take action on your site through algorithmic action or manual action.

You need to decide if you care about such things like Google ‘trusting’ your website or your google seo ranking.

 

How Do You Find Nofollow On External Links On A Website

Most SEO tools and crawlers do this as standard.

 

Should you use Nofollow on internal links?

No.

QUOTE: “I’d recommend not using nofollow for kind of PageRank sculpting within a website because it probably doesn’t do what you think it does” John Mueller, Google 2017

This was actually said by Matt Cutts too about 10 years ago (although I often see pages with nofollow on internal links).

QUOTE: “Q: Does this mean “PageRank sculpting” (trying to change how PageRank flows within your site using e.g. nofollow) is a bad idea? A: I wouldn’t recommend it, because it isn’t the most effective way to utilize your PageRank. In general, I would let PageRank flow freely within your site. The notion of “PageRank sculpting” has always been a second- or third-order recommendation for us. I would recommend the first-order things to pay attention to are 1) making great content that will attract links in the first place, and 2) choosing a site architecture that makes your site usable/crawlable for humans and search engines alike.

Pagerank sculpting was a hot topic many years ago, and then changed the way they handled it:

QUOTE: “When we added a help page to our documentation about nofollow, we said “a solid information architecture — intuitive navigation, user- and search-engine-friendly URLs, and so on — is likely to be a far more productive use of resources than focusing on crawl prioritization via nofollowed links.” In a recent webmaster video, I said “a better, more effective form of PageRank sculpting is choosing (for example) which things to link to from your home page.” At Google I/O, during a site review session I said it even more explicitly: “My short answer is no. In general, whenever you’re linking around within your site: don’t use nofollow. Just go ahead and link to whatever stuff.” But at SMX Advanced 2009, someone asked the question directly and it seemed like a good opportunity to clarify this point. Again, it’s not something that most site owners need to know or worry about, but I wanted to let the power-SEOs know..” Matt Cutts, Google 2009

Questions arise if you start thinking about it too much – I know I did – before Google changed the way it handled nofollow:

  1. Should you nofollow unimportant internal pages or nofollow external links in an effort to consolidate the Pagerank you have already accrued?
  2. Or should you spend your time getting other quality links pointing to your site to increase the PR you have to start off with (how you get Pagerank).

The long-term best impact strategy here is simply to earn more Google Pagerank in the first place than PageRank sculpt with rel=nofollow links.

You can certainly control PR on a granular level (page by page in this case) – that is, which page gets available real PR from another page on your site. It’s easy to follow, that some SEO professionals think, if that’s the case, you can sculpt Pagerank, and channel page rank to important pages in a site.

The theory was that by adding the attribute to (for instance) internal links to your contact page, or disclaimer, or privacy policy page would send more PageRank to more important pages on your site.

I’d long fell out of love with PR sculpting internal pages using the attribute after testing the theory. The results were not worth it for me on the sites I worked on (some are quite large) –  a few years back I posted this about PR sculpting:

QUOTE: “I’ve been playing about with rel=’nofollow’ on this site for 4 months, and in all honesty, in future, I won’t be relying on nofollow to sculpt unimportant pages out of any possible link graph, just optimising those pages better, or leaving them out altogether, like I used to do in 1999. It can be a useful tool in a site redevelopment, but from here on in, I’ll be keeping nofollow for bad neighbourhoods and, pending further testing, on top level blog pages.” Shaun Anderson, Hobo

In June 2008 I also posted this about Nofollow and PR Sculpting:

QUOTE: “I tested it, and as far as I am concerned, on a 300 page site at least, any visible benefit is microscopic.” Shaun Anderson, Hobo

In theory, PR sculpting sounded cool, but was in practice, very disappointing. Some people think it works, of course, even to this day.

Notes

I should point out you do not use rel=”nofollow” to prevent the indexing of a page – merely to control which pages any particular page shares it’s Pagerank.

When it came to first link priority on a page for Google it appeared at that time that the first link you nofollow on a page *might* also nofollow any other link to the same URL on that page.

Google changed the way it flowed PR through nofollowed links ten years ago, making Pagerank sculpting redundant:

QUOTE: “So what happens when you have a page with “ten PageRank points” and ten outgoing links, and five of those links are nofollowed? Let’s leave aside the decay factor to focus on the core part of the question. Originally, the five links without nofollow would have flowed two points of PageRank each (in essence, the nofollowed links didn’t count toward the denominator when dividing PageRank by the outdegree of the page). More than a year ago, Google changed how the PageRank flows so that the five links without nofollow would flow one point of PageRank each.” Matt Cutts, Google 2009

When you add ‘rel nofollow’ to internal links you spread less Pagerank around your own site.

QUOTE: “Q: Does this mean “PageRank sculpting” (trying to change how PageRank flows within your site using e.g. nofollow) is a bad idea? A: I wouldn’t recommend it, because it isn’t the most effective way to utilize your PageRank. In general, I would let PageRank flow freely within your site. The notion of “PageRank sculpting” has always been a second- or third-order recommendation for us. I would recommend the first-order things to pay attention to are 1) making great content that will attract links in the first place, and 2) choosing a site architecture that makes your site usable/crawlable for humans and search engines alike.“Matt Cutts, Google 2009

and

QUOTE: “So today at SMX Advanced, sculpting was being discussed, and then Matt Cutts dropped a bomb shell that it no longer works to help flow more PageRank to the unblocked pages. Again — and being really simplistic here — if you have $10 in authority to spend on those ten links, and you block 5 of them, the other 5 aren’t going to get $2 each. They’re still getting $1. It’s just that the other $5 you thought you were saving is now going to waste.” Moz, 2009

So – it is fairly unequivocal. The Pagerank you think you are sculpting around your site is actually “evaporating” (a quote from Matt Cutts at SMX 2009) and you want MORE PageRank in your site not less of it.

However, and here’s where some confusion comes in.

Google does say this in their general guidelines about nofollow:

QUOTE: ” Crawl prioritization: Search engine robots can’t sign in or register as a member on your forum, so there’s no reason to invite Googlebot to follow “register here” or “sign in” links. Using nofollow on these links enables Googlebot to crawl other pages you’d prefer to see in Google’s index. However, a solid information architecture — intuitive navigation, user- and search-engine-friendly URLs, and so on — is likely to be a far more productive use of resources than focusing on crawl prioritization via nofollowed links.“Google Webmaster Guidelines, 2018

However, I very much doubt “crawl prioritisation” is something 99% of Webmasters need to be concerned about at all.

The simple answer is to NOT apply rel=nofollow to ordinary HTML internal links on your website.

There is some recent discussion about Pagerank Sculpting and nofollow at Web Marketing School.

How To Find Rel=Nofollow On Internal Links On Your Website

Most (if not all) SEO tools highlight nofollow links on a site.

 

Should you use Nofollow on all external links?

NO.

QUOTE: “parts of our system encourage links to good sites.” Matt Cutts, Google 2009

How does Google treat sites where all external links are no-follow?

One of my clients was linking out to real and trusted sites from pages on his site and added rel=nofollow to the links because he thought this was helping his site. This is unnecessary.

There’s no reason to put the attribute on editorially approved links.

In my experience, if you write a blog post and use the attribute on all links on your blog for no other reason than to conserve Pagerank, or even think linking out to irrelevant sites will hurt your site, you’re misinformed at best.

Google doesn’t penalise you for linking to irrelevant sites if both pages in question are relevant to each other.

Use nofollow only if you don’t want to vouch for the page you’re linking to, for fear of losing reputation OR if your site is made with “user generated content”.

I proceed thinking that Google might be taking in the quality or accuracy of your outbound links in some minor way to measure your reputation, so don’t miss out because you are effectively not linking to anybody.

Also, consider, the link you make might be the link that helps another REAL site get traffic from Google and satisfy Google’s users – that’s not a bad thing for anybody.

I have little reason for the attribute these days outside of user-generated comments and affiliate links. I don’t use it to sculpt Pagerank, and I don’t use it in any arena where editorial moderation is in play.

I only use it for sites that don’t deserve the link to be search engine friendly and in 99% of the cases, if I don’t have any reason to trust a site, I won’t make the link a link at all.

Pet hate – websites where every outbound link is nofollow.

 

Should you apply Nofollow to social media profile links?

QUOTE: “DYK that after 18 years we’re still using* PageRank (and 100s of other signals) in ranking? Gary Illyes from Google – 2018

No.

You want your social media profiles to rank in Google and be associated with your website. The nofollow attribute (we were told) ‘evaporates’ the Pagerank your page has to ‘donate’ to other pages on the web and passes no potentially positive ‘signals’ along to the other page.

Your website derives no benefit from applying nofollow to social media profile links, and if you do apply the rel=nofollow attribute to such links, neither do your social media profiles.

Whatever you do is going to have a minuscule effect on your own website rankings, but linking naturally could help your social media profiles tremendously.

Keep nofollow for paid links, user-generated content and sites you do not trust for some reason.

 

Can Nofollow links hurt your rankings?

QUOTE: “No, typically nofollow links cannot hurt your site.” Matt Cutts, 2013

No.

 

Should you add Nofollow to Widgets or Infographics?

QUOTE: “I would recommend putting a nofollow especially on widgets ” Matt Cutts, Google 2013

Should you apply nofollow to widgets?

It is recommended.

NOTE – You can also use robots meta tags or X-Robots-Tag HTTP header to control how Google treats ALL the links on a page if you decide you really need that in certain situations:

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Tue, 25 May 2018 21:42:43 GMT
(…)
X-Robots-Tag: googlebot: nofollow
(…)

You can also block actual pages using robot txt (or X robots or meta tags) or block outbound links via redirect scripts if you are worried about losing trust and reputation in Google and wish to avoid the nofollow attribute entirely.

Should you apply nofollow to infographics?

Consider this:

QUOTE: “Depending on the scale of the stuff that you’re doing with infographics you might consider putting a rel nofollow on infographic links as well the value of those things might be branding they might be to drive traffic they might be to sort of let people know that your site or your service exists but you know I wouldn’t expect a link from a widget to necessarily carry the same weight as an editorial link” Matt Cutts, Google 2013

 

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55 thoughts on “What is a nofollow link?”

  1. Nice round-up. A good example of nofollow use could be adding the attribute to all those social network buttons on your blog, but no one has really any proof that is makes a big difference in doing this. Their in lies the whole perplexity of nofollow.

  2. Thanks for the comment, Jaan. It’s a terrifically confusing subject, virtually impossible to test with any accuracy in the real world, and it’s obvious to me benefits are minimal at best, and probably better addressed through an intelligent structure to begin with.

  3. “probably better addressed through an intelligent structure to begin with.”

    EXACTLY.

    You know we (well some of us, not me) SEO’s are easily swayed by new concepts in SEO. We want to be the first to use them and show that they work. Especially if the concept is “somewhat” touted by Google (Matt Cutt’s) themselves. In reality testing really is the only thing that can show real results in SEO and in this case this concept or technique is impossible to test its effectiveness.

  4. True. I liked the idea of nofollow, but it just doesn’t quite all ‘fit’, as far as I can see. I don’t think we’re being spoon fed all the info we need to know to take advantage of it’s benefits.

    I see pages nofollowed still apparently in the link graph, still ranking no1 for (albeit uncompetitive) terms, 4 months after I applied rel=”nofollow”.

    I’ve decided I want every page on my site to rank for something, long tail or not. That will include my contact page.

    If I don’t need a page enough to nofollow it, I’m now questioning myself as whether or not there’s an argument for just leaving it out all together.

  5. “I see pages nofollowed still apparently in the link graph, still ranking no1 for (albeit uncompetitive) terms, 4 months after I applied rel=”nofollow”.”

    That is because just nofollowing a link to a page in your website won’t stop it from getting indexed and ranked. I don’t think Google ever said that would happen. The reason for this is simple, other links without nofollow could be pointing to the page and other links in the past could have pointed to the page.

  6. I am aware of this, but through linking, I’ve purposely aimed to “nofollow-orphan” pages to see if they ranked, based on some others’ analysis and my own, and they still do, if they were indexed before you applied nofollow.

    I always thought orphan pages was a surefire way to tank in Google, but it doesn’t appear to be in this instance.

  7. Hi,

    When i build a new niche page i usuaully nofollow the “contact us” and “terms” pages directly from start. What im now starting to wonder is if thats a good ideas? I have heard Google will check if you have those pages if its a small page and if you dont you might get lower ratings. If i have nofolloed them.. does it count as i dont have them maybe?

    Thanks for a great article.

    BR,
    Johan

  8. I’m thinking of perhaps optimising my contact page, and perhaps having terms etc only accessible from the contacts page. :)

  9. Jaan,

    One of the points of nofollow is that it removes a lot of SEO constraints from the design of your user navigation. This means that you can do SEO with less impact on usability.

    The argument that you can’t directly test the impact could be applied to almost anything we do in SEO. There are *always* hidden factors that can’t be measured.

  10. “One of the points of nofollow is that it removes a lot of SEO constraints from the design of your user navigation. This means that you can do SEO with less impact on usability.”

    Thanks for the comment Dan.

    This is what I liked about nofollow in the beginning, and why I think it can be useful when restructuring an existing site.

    If I’m building a site from the ground up, I’ll be doing it without nofollow, and eventually always attempt to phase it out over time in redesigns.

  11. “The argument that you can’t directly test the impact could be applied to almost anything we do in SEO. ”

    Not really. I see results from SEO changes I do all of the time. Better titles, better content, better internal navigation, better syndication of content which lead to links to my website, etc.

    I used nofollow in a few test situations and I didnt see much improvements at all. Doing the above changes did. Either way we are beating a dead horse here, we know how both of us feel about it.

  12. How do you know that the title changes didn’t impact user behavior that’s being measured in some way?
    Having seen sites go from a few hundred to a couple thousand pages indexed within a few weeks of a nofollow restructure, and never seeing it go the other way, I believe that it’s working. But I can’t prove it – we can’t prove anything. And all these people claiming big traffic gains make it hard to discuss, because that’s a huge stretch absent any analysis of the cause.

    But yeah, the horse is dead.

  13. I recognise that title

    Mickey Mouse or one of his followers hit me a couple of days ago again, but to a different site. The strange thing was the comment actually used his first name, and a gmail address along the lines of firstname.surfboarding@gmail.com

    Who knows, maybe it was even a genuine comment, but I need to drop the email address an email to be sure.

  14. Re: I recognise that title – yeah, thought I’d join in on the sidelines as a bit of an experiment. :)

    I see Dave’s got a Shpinn in and see where you’re syndicating your content to, so it’s actually a useful face off to watch and watch what’s happening regarding ranking for the post title.

    Both of your sites have the quality links and link weight to out rank this site by some way, but still useful to see how I get on not pushing the post in any way off-site, if you get what I mean.

  15. I do have it being fed to Gooruze, but that is like Technorati in many ways, hard to quantify the juice, plus Dave got a link there anyway as I linked to him at the top of my post.

    Lisa, Josh, and now you have linked to both of us

    I think Andrew just linked to me

    Everyone who linked to me gets a link back, as long as they ping, unless they make the mistake of using plugins such as smart update pinger which often get post updates wrong and don’t re-ping.

    For some reason my Gooruze profile doesn’t show any juice in the toolbar, which is odd compared to other profiles. I have linked to it in the past.
    Maybe they have been found to be buying or selling links.

    My army of splogs for some reason didn’t pick it up, they need more training.

    I wonder if WPN will pick it up, and use the same title just for fun.

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  17. I’m always suspicious of things that sound like “movements” in the online marketing world. The dofollow movement, the nofollow movement, what a load of utter tosh.

    People have to make their own decisions, if you moderate with the carefulness of a surgeon on roller skates whilst performing a vasectomy for Mike Tyson then yeah, go the dofollow route

    But, if you simply haven’t got time to monitor, protect your ass. Most of us make our money online, it’s our way of earning a crust. We have to protect ourselves from comments linking to bigtitsplaypokerinbathofvi4gr4.com

    Like I say, if you closely monitor comments, you should be fine. And I am sure no one would ever think to redirect those links from letallloveeachotherandbehappy.com to bigtitsplaypokerinbathofvi4gr4.com

  18. Might as well, you’re goin’ down (in US Google anyways) :)

    It’s an interesting combo face off to watch for a bit of fun…. comment dofollow, linky love & nofollow showdown.

    I was hoping to take you on doing nothing but on-page but some PR9 Uni in the US went and linked to me – sods law – couldn’t buy that kind of link ha ha.

  19. We just moved the Hobo site to a UK IP, up until last month we were in Australia. Not seen any difference, probably because we already have a lot of links from UK based sites and domains.

  20. Hmmm…. interesting. I was about to 301 the .com back to this domain.

    Can you expand what you mean by ‘Funky”?

  21. lol ,, sometimes I rank in the co.uk and not the com, sometimes I rank in the com and not the co.uk, and some times I rank equally in both.

    but never the same pattern, just funky

    DaveN

  22. I’m personally quite fond of the nofollow tag for blog comments, however I would only put it on over time that way you get them sucked into commenting on your blog and they just can’t stick away once you add nofollow *insert evil demon face here*

  23. Thanks Dave – Nofollowing external links to other websites? I don’t believe Google counts these as links and transfers no link power whatsoever. Google says that’s the way it is while many conspiracy theories persist I see it that way.

    For me, I use the Linky Love Plugin so I control who gets a search engine friendly link and who does not. In short, you need to hang about in the blog for a number of sensible comments and the link you get is followed by all search engines.

    I like it that way, and I heavily moderate everything. Intelligent contribution for a link.

    Most blogs however have comments nofollowed, so spammers cannot get links from real blogs. This isn’t in the spirit of blogging for me although there is a risk if you link out, I’d say extensively, to a bad neighbourhood, Google might penalise you.

  24. So, basically sculpting is for PR. Doesn’t seem to make much of a difference in ranking…yeah?

    After reading all those links in your other internal link scupting post, I decided to take one of my 10 page sites and start it from scratch. Well, I made every link on the site nofollow. I plan to work backwards by taking away the nofollow one link at a time using this pr tool.

    http://www.search-this.com/pagerank-decoder/

    Any experience with this tool? I heard it wasn’t accurate but gives a good idea. Any other way you suggest figuring out the best sculpture? I read that you like to avoid math. I wonder how you determine the ‘perfect architecture’ then. Bet its all based on experimenting, huh!?

  25. Thanks for the comment James.

    Yes, from my tests, PR Scultping using nofollow is very much a ‘second order effect’ and one I really wouldn’t bother with (using internally I mean and a site with a few hundred pages and lots of IBLs).

    From what I see, Page Rank gets you into the main results pages, especially internal pages. It may kick in when all else is equal – and it never is.

    Beyond that, I cant determine what else it is useful for. Sure, you need to get page ran to internal pages, but really, you should be doing this via an intelligent usable architecture and siloing of content.

    I carried out a very simple test to see if I could determine the real page rank of my site internal pages recently. I might have an interesting result to publish shortly, but it’s such a noisey fluctuating signal, and I could be chasing flat earth theory here.

    The pages on your site with the most page rank are your home page, the pages you link to from it, pages linked to from a sitewide navigation and the pages you link often too – of course, internal pages gain page rank when other sites link to them too. You don’t need maths to work this out (thank f*k!).

    The only tool I used to determine my real page rank was Google. Wonder if I should share?

    Thanks again for the comment :)

  26. I have to agree, I think this is all a load of noise about nothing.

    According to Matt Cutts, this was all put into place a year ago, no one noticed so it couldn’t have had much of an effect could it. So to start panicing and reacting to it now would be a waste of time. If nothing happened to your rankings, be it good or bad, a year ago, then it’s no big deal is it.

  27. I completely agree with you as well. Of course I’ve been following along with a lot of what you’ve talked about on this blog for the past couple months or so as you’ve helped me out a bit with the startup of my new site. I haven’t used the nofollow tag for any pages on my site just used simple structural (navigation) linking techniques between pages of my blog and I’ve seen traffic increase every week since inception – six weeks in a row. I don’t think it’s worth spending the time and energy on this when you can spend the same time working on the content and navigation of the site and realize even more benefit.

    To paraphrase, I think you said on one other page of your site (forgive me if I’m thinking of someone else) that would you rather work on squeezing a few more visitors out of Google by working your butt off on sculpting or simply leverage more traffic from Google by working on content creating better content. I’d take the second.

  28. I have switched to Disqus for a while to encourage others to do so, because it will provide some limited additional links back, and is something anyone can do.

    At a later date I have some better solutions that will actually boost search still giving link love.

    Nofollow those dupes is going to get a revamp.

  29. Howdy Andy I had spotted your article and gave it a quick scan. It’s on my list later when I get a minute to read everybody’s responses.

    I doubt I’ll be switching to anything for now I’m happy with Linky Love.

    Good to see you blogging again :)

  30. I think it’s very helpful that Matt Cutts continues to educate us on the various nuances of Google, it helps us put everything into perspective. And I agree that many people are overthinking things like PR sculpting and even page rank itself (i.e. they’re not putting these into proper perspective.)

    Brian is right, the key is content. Everything we do for onsite SEO should make our wonderful content more findable but we really need to focus our SEO efforts on the tactics that will make the most impact. A page rank of 10 isn’t our goal, neither is the #1 spot on the seach results page for term X.

    Our real goals are to sell more widgets, build our brand, increase blog subscribers or whatever we define for our given site. Our strategy to achieve such goals is to increase traffic from visitors in our target audience. SEO is one of many marketing tactics we can use to do this. In the end the boss won’t give you a raise (or shouldn’t) for increasing PR from 3 to 6, but he should if you increase sales by 50%–no matter what the PR may be.

    It’s important to structure our code correctly and use the right keywords, but sculpting page rank seems to go beyond what is practical and efficient. I’d much rather spend my time on things that give visitors a reason to visit or link to my site. If we focus on readers instead of robots the rest will follow.

  31. I agree with what you say here Sean:

    “Sometimes I wonder if people even ever needed to hear about Google PR nevermind the science of PR sculpting in the first place.”

    Far too many people place some sort of massive SEO emphasis on the green PR indicator in their toolbar, even though when you go to find out more you only ever read that it’s not a useful indication of anything and should never be relied upon, even Matt Cutts says that that article when he says:

    “I’ll do the rest of my blog post in the framework of “classic PageRank” but bear in mind that it’s not a perfect analogy.”

    Yet people still obsess about it, even if by Google’s own admission it’s not accurate.

  32. Dig around Disqus a little, think of it as lots of comment blogs on subdomains. It gets more interesting if they can be encouraged to SEO a little.

  33. Well, most problematic outcome of this change is PR points leaking even for nofollow links. That means any popular/authority blog that mentions your site may not be passing a lot of link juice because it has 100s of comments (even if they are nofollow).

    I will continue to nofollow my login pages etc. ;-)

  34. Should link builders pursue nofollow links? do the nofollowed links needto have contextual relevance to your URL with measurable marketing value.?

  35. Richard. No. No. Marketing value? That depends on the site. For me, it’s all about PEOPLE. Real people.

  36. Thanks to everybody who’s taken the time to comment on ths post – I appreciate it :)

  37. Playing with internal no follow links to sculpt PR just seems like too much of a hassle. Arrn’t the new search engines like bing going to have “better” SERPs to get you to the good content rather than just what some webmaster wants you to see?

  38. Just had to look up what an ‘amadan’ was. Never heard of it before. With wordpress.com doping redirects on all links if you dont pay them $30 I fear that blog spam on wordpress.org installations will increase. On the one website I run with full do follow – though all comments are moderated, the site gets battered daily with about 300 spam comments. Nofollows not great but it has its place, overusing it seems an excessive waste of time.

  39. Thanks for the comment Mike :)

    My advice for nofollowing (or rather following) blog comments is of course aimed at those with smaller blogs, or one blog, or if you have the time to moderate :)

  40. On the benefits of linking out, Matt Cutts said in his don’t bother pagerank scuplting post that:
    “I didn’t say that linking to high-quality sites helped your PageRank, but rather other parts of our system would encourage/reward those links.”

    So yes, I think you’re right that “Google might be taking in the quality or accuracy of your outbound links”.

  41. Thanks for this simple yet another good SEO tip. I think now I can stop reading other blogs for a while and go through all the previous posts. I wonder how many such good tips I have been missing for a while.

  42. I have read elsewhere (don’t recall where) that if you link out to other relevant sites within your niche then the search engines can see the online community in which your site operates – which is obviously beneficial when returning relevant search results.

    I’m all for the following of any links that are not spam – there are too many people out there who have become obsessed** with PR and linking and are far too precious with the green bar and what they think it means to their site – hopefully with gradual phase out of the PR indicator and some proof that following your outbound links will help your site, this will change.

    ** I admit I once went overboard on nofollowing internal links to try and sculpt pagerank, a matter of days before Matt Cutts video came out, gutted.

  43. I also had to look up amadam, and I’m Irish!

    Thanks for the tips. I try to follow the same linking strategy – always follow, except when linking out to a possibly dodgy site.

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